Writer/Producer Simon Kinberg Talks the Evolution of the Script, Time Travel, the X-MEN Franchise, and More on the Set of X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST
For those who want to know how Charles is walking in DoFP, please click on this link to read the interview with Simon Kinberg! I’ve linked it because of potential spoilers. Please go forth at your own risk!
Thanks sheisstrangerthanfiction for letting me know and sending me on a search for the source of your wonderful knowledge XD
COLLIDER: “…is there any thought to any more stand-alone character movies?”
Kinberg: “…you could follow Raven, you could follow Charles or Erik in their own movie, there are a lot of possibilities.”
YOU COULD FOLLOW CHARLES AND ERIK IN THEIR OWN MOVIE
Oh goddammit did he say “or”???
SCREW THAT MAKE A CHARLES AND ERIK MOVIE *thrashes, froths at mouth*
Any XMFC’ers want to have a smallish impromptu XMFC Does MST thing tomorrow or Sunday? It’s been one of those weeks and it would be great just to hang out and watch a guy and a robot making fun of bad movies.
(For new people: XMFC Does MST is a periodic thing we do were we set up a TogetherTube room and watch episodes of Mystery Science Theater 3000. Sometimes we watch other things, like the 90s X-Men cartoons and campy movies. And the entire time we talk and quote riffs at each other and try to come up with XMFC AUs based on whatever we’re watching. It’s lots of fun!)
There’s been this one idea I’ve had for a while that I would love to turn into fic, but don’t really have a plot for. Basically, it’s a role reversal type AU thing where Erik is in some sort of accident and needs a wheelchair afterward, and he’s really angry and bitter and basically only sticking around for his mom’s sake at this point. And it’s a powered AU and one of the things he’s mad about is that when he had all his surgeries and they put all that hardware into his back, no one asked him if he might not prefer being able to actually feel it with his powers, and anyway, all that stuff is made out of some sort of synthetic instead of metal like he would have wanted if anyone had asked him, and it really pisses him off. And basically everything really pisses him off. And tbh I’m not really sure how this resolves, or what else is going on, or what’s going on with Charles, or anything else, but.
The boy with the heart on his sleeve has updated! New chapter: Like liquid falling is now up at AO3.
Anger bubbles up in Erik’s chest, exactly where he doesn’t want it to be. From there it’s a volatile thing that can spread to his fists or consume his head in a wash of red. Multnomah is supposed to be a safe place; cool, green, and humid. He focuses on the roar of the falls and breathes deep, wills it to enter his chest with every inhale to extinguish the growing heat. The scent of dark earth and rich vegetation passes through his nose on the way to his lungs. In his mind’s eye, he buries the fire with moist earth and covers it in sheets of moss.
Erik turns away from a wary-looking Charles for a break in the intensity. Facing back up the trail he says, “We’ll stop on the bridge to check on your feet; should be enough wear to identify trouble spots and it’ll give you time to take in the view. I’ve got moleskin in my pack.”
“This is just like that night when Raven and I picnicked in the rain,” Charles says from behind. “I didn’t pretend you weren’t angry or violent then, Erik, and I won’t start now.”
Erik snorts softly but doesn’t look back. “I never asked you to.”
While I’m reccing, I recently reread a story that imo didn’t get near enough love:
Stage Left, Moira/Erik/Charles. Fantastic fusion with Phantom of the Opera, powered, with Moira in Christine’s role (but decidedly not like Christine), Charles in Raoul’s position, and Erik in Erik’s. But of course Erik’s secret is different, and shared with half the company of the opera; and the love triangle resolves in a much more satisfactory fashion. Such a good, fun read.
“Florence Nightingale was never called “The Lady with the Lamp” but ”The Lady with the Hammer”, an image deftly readjusted by the war reporter of the Times since it was far too coarse for the folks back home. Far from gliding about the hospital with her lamp aloft, Nightingale earned her nickname through a ferocious attack on a locked storeroom when a military commander refused to give her the medical supplies she needed.”—"Who cooked the Last Supper?: The Women’s History of the World"- Rosalind Miles (via fyeahnursingthings)
i love that normal shippers are like ‘sigh i wish my OTP would just kiss’
and then there’s the cherik fandom like ‘hE FINALLY PUNCHED HIM IN THE FACE YESS!1!!’
And now grudgefucking *__*
Seriously though… I think a vast number of us really really wanted to see Charles haul off and punch Erik the next time they met, but we never really thought we’d get it. And WE GOT IT.
So until the movie comes out and shatters my illusions, I’m just going to carry on believing that we’re going to get the other things we really really want but don’t think we’ll ever get.
I’M TALKING ABOUT A KISS OKAY
And then about 12 minutes of tastefully shot makeouts. Look, they can intercut it with an action scene so the nonshipper viewers have something to keep them engaged, fine, whatever, but I think I’m being very reasonable here by limiting the wish to just 12 minutes of screentime devoted to Erik and Charles hungrily going at each other. Remember, Erik just spent 10 years in prison, he has got to be so starved for it, and Charles is probably sober and actually feeling things for the first time in almost as long. EPIC. There should be a lot of gasping and shaking. It should be like Fassbender’s Fish Tank seduction-on-the-couch scene + McAvoy’s Last Station Valentin-loses-his-virginity scene to the tenth power, for twelve minutes.
Also there should be about an hour of makeout outtakes on the eventually DVD/Blu-ray.
Hey, we got the punch, who knows what other wishes will come true! *___*
“There were a couple of weeks where [Josh Helman who plays the young Stryker] has a big old scar right there [on his chin],” admits McAvoy, “He was trying to get me with a BB gun, and I flicked one out [a pellet] behind me and completely by chance managed to scar him!”—
Here’s how you know James McAvoy must be an absolute doll: he can punch Hugh Jackman in the arm as hard as he can and shoot a co-star in the face with a bb gun, and people still gush about what a sweetheart he is.
this is a complete 180 from XMFC ‘there’s good in you, Erik, I’ve felt it’ Charles Xavier is 900% done with Erik Lehnsherr omg
I KNOW. It surprised me a little. WHAT HAS ERIK DONE?? (besides possibly murder the president, but I’m pretty sure it’s been determined that he was set up for that or took the fall for someone else)
AUGH OKAY I WATCHED THE TRAILER AGAIN.
And it looks like one of the things that might do it is Erik taking apart that stadium and dropping it on a road. Charles is wearing the same clothes in that screaming/running crowd as he is in the shot where everyone’s frozen and he says “Everything that happens now is in your hands.”
So it might be that he’s talking to Erik there, for one last time after the divorce, telling him that what he’s planning on doing next is his responsibility. And Erik basically demolishing that stadium and killing however many people just solidifies in Charles’s mind that Erik’s given up on ever finding the good that Charles saw in him.
That doesn’t really seem to work, but it could explain things.
My guess is that whatever stunt Erik did that landed him in prison (I know the Bent Bullet backstory but it remains to be seen just what was involved in that) led to Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters being shuttered. So when Charles talks about how Erik took the things that meant the most to him, he’s talking largely about the school and the dream behind it.
If XMFC ended at a more Captain America note, who'd be frozen and who'd be kidnapped, brainwashed and frozen? What would happen when (if?) they were thawed?
Oh my god this is an amazing idea. AMAAAAZING.
I have a couple of different scenarios, where Charles and Erik switch places. In both, the Americans and the Soviets come to a deal, after both mutants are neutralized (idk, with tranquilizer guns?): they each get one. (We’ll say for the sake of argument that Erik gets Azazel to transport everyone else off the beach.)
in the first scenario, the Americans get Charles and the Soviets get Erik. During the collapse of the Soviet Union following the end of the Cold War, the scientists in charge of the installation where Erik’s on ice (and periodically woken up to be experimented on) somehow lose track of him in the chaos and he ends up in the hands of a HYDRA-like “take over the world” organization. Their mental conditioning works especially well on Erik because it meshes so closely with Erik’s desire for control and security—too well because, when he wakes up accidentally, he destroys the unfamiliar place he’s in and escapes.
Across the globe, the US government hears about the massive amounts of destruction being caused by a rogue mutant. Under pressure from a now-older Hank McCoy, Raven Darkholme, and Moira MacTaggert (granddaughter of the original), and maybe under orders from SHIELD, Nick Fury orders that their asset be woken up. More chaos happens when Charles realizes what’s happening and he determines to go to Russia now to save Erik.
Then there’d be a lot of telepathic stuff and hopefully Charles would be able to remove the conditioning and help Erik remember himself. And there’d be lots of cultural missteps, like Charles realizing his flirting is even less welcome in 2011 than it was in 1963.
The second scenario is basically just the reverse of the first. Only, as you might be able to imagine, brainwashing a telepath would be so much worse. And un-brainwashing a telepath would be nearly impossible. Maybe Erik, after being de-thawed, is living with Raven at the house in Westchester, as she inherited it after Charles was declared dead, and then Moira’s granddaughter shows up one day and simply says “we need your help.”
Erik has no idea what would make them think he owes them anything, but he listens and learns that there have been numerous what can only be described as telepathic attacks on important scientific, cultural, and political figures. At first Erik doesn’t believe it, because this is (or could be) Charles, but then Moira shows him a blurry picture taken on someone’s cell phone and… yeah, it’s him.
Cue finding the anti-telepathy helmet, but the only way Erik can even begin to help Charles once he’s neutralized is to take it off and see if Charles recognizes him or if Charles annihilates him.
“What if these two [Steve and Natasha] are smart enough to know that it would never work out between them? It really plays out as more of a work-wife/work-husband relationship. And yeah, of course there’s sexual tension between them, but I think she’s more interested in pulling him into the modern world and try to help him find that identity he was looking for.”—
When I saw the movie, I definitely read the vibe between Steve and Natasha as primarily platonic - there was a moment when i think they each mentally tried on the idea, then went, “That would be fun for two hours and then turn into an unmitigated disaster.”
In addition to the big action fun of Cap 2, I love that we got to see Captain America and Black Widow work together. They showed mutual respect, which included an element of wariness— Steve had understandable concerns about Natasha’s loyalties, Natasha had just as understandable concerns about Steve’s naivete— and they helped each other compensate for those weaknesses, which made them a great team. On an interpersonal level, we got to see their relationship grow from teammates to friends. Best of all, each of them acknowledged that they found the other attractive…
…but they didn’t have sex or pair off romantically in any way. \o/! Natasha wasn’t there to be a “love interest,” she was there as Steve’s teammate, his foil*, his equal and his friend. That’s so sadly rare, but let’s hope this starts a trend.
*It’s actually pretty genius to pair up these two characters— they’re such complete opposites on paper, the wild card former KGB assassin turned hero and the legendary American patriot turned skeptic. They contrast and compliment each other so well. I don’t expect Black Widow to play a big part in Cap 3— I think that’s going to be all Cap and Falcon, and I adored Sam and the dynamic between Sam and Steve, so I am 1000% fine with that— but I’m really happy she was such a major part of this one. And I hope the success of Cap 2 and the prominence of Black Widow in the marketing paves the way for a Black Widow solo movie that picks up her thread from here, searching for a way to go straight in a world where every road seems to bend toward compromise. I would watch the hell out of that movie.
Imagine the #overlyhonestmethods posts from Carlos’s team of scientists.
"This paper is shorter than normal due to the primary researcher turning into a tree before she could finish it."
"Test subjects were selected randomly by loitering outside Big Rico’s and offering illicit bread crust for all participants."
"Experiment time intervals were carefully chosen so that Carlos would actually be on time for his date for once."
"Potential errors include time loss from that cancelled Wednesday, the fact that the local government legally forbid us from mentioning the source of the data, and the loss of a substantial amount of recorded notes that were replaced with dead silence and the smell of vanilla."
"Some results were altered to sound more normal so we don’t get our funding revoked."
I hope someday the show introduces us to some of Carlos’s team of scientists, because I’d be endlessly fascinated to hear about how they’re coping and adapting. In “The Phone Call,” Carlos seemed as weirded out by Night Valeian events as any normal person from our reality would be, but since then, Carlos has himself evidenced more strangeness, like his statement “I don’t specialize in botany or dendrology. I am a scientist. I study science.” Which doesn’t seem like something that someone from our reality would say. (Also it made me slightly sad: I was hoping they’d never specify so I could preserve my headcanon that he’s a geophysicist.)
In Condos, Carlos seems fairly unfazed by things like throat spiders and stasis cubes and talks blithely about replacing his vocal cords. I’m not sure if we’re supposed to take that as Carlos getting used to Night Vale, or if we should infer that Carlos has always been odd or has always inhabited a reality different from our own, inside Night Vale and outside it. (I kind of hope it’s not that last one? One of my favorite things about “The Phone Call” is getting a glimpse of what Night Vale is like for an outsider, presumably from our reality. Also, I’ve always liked to think that while Cecil reports on the crisis of the week, Carlos and his scientists are out there Indiana-Jonesing [he was an archeologist, remember?] and Macguyvering and using science to try to stop the crisis and/or minimize the damage. I was SO HAPPY when Carlos said he was going to try to fix the shadow people crisis in “First Date.”)
Anyway, whatever all that means about Carlos, I would love to hear more about the other scientists and what they think about Night Vale and how they’re dealing with it. And what their experiments and research are like, if indeed they do anything but stand around with clipboards and hang around the house that doesn’t exist offering people five bucks to go inside.