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Asker Anonymous Asks:
i just read this interesting fic where part of the reason charles would say an incredibly stupid thing such as 'they were following orders" (besides (a) stupidity and (b) post-coin trauma) was because he was thinking of his time in the korean war. pretty interesting take. do you have any recs for soldier/fightingcompetent!charles
codenamecesare codenamecesare Said:

rustystimewasted:

codenamecesare:

keire-ke:

That sounds cool, can you link me? If anon asks don’t allow links, directions would be appreciated! :D

All of these may be part of the reason, yes, but let’s also remember that however stupid the line was, in that context it was also 100% valid. As in, situations like that are the reason the line was ever attempted as a defence. It is also a good portion of my Charles-the-Tin-Man reasoning, because it has literally all the markers of underestimating (hail to the understatement!) an emotional response to a situation.

There is one fic that comes to mind, but I don’t think I have a link saved anywhere - it was on the kink meme and Erik was questioning Charles’ touchy-feely approach to training and challenged him to a fight. There was also one with a parade? Also kink meme. Sorry. :(

I’ve seen a headcanon that Charles said “They were just following orders” because Erik thought about that justification a lot, and Charles picked up that it had a powerful emotional impact on him, but not that it was associated with NEGATIVE emotions. An interesting take.

One question: Erik was wearing the helmet, so how could Charles pick up that line from him?

I think the idea was that during their time together recruiting and training, Charles picked up that “just following orders” thought from Erik several times because it was an emotionally charged “loud” thought. And so later when Charles couldn’t read Erik and couldn’t figure out how to reason with him, he just remembered picking up that emotionally powerful statement from Erik’s mind in the weeks before, and blurted it out.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
i just read this interesting fic where part of the reason charles would say an incredibly stupid thing such as 'they were following orders" (besides (a) stupidity and (b) post-coin trauma) was because he was thinking of his time in the korean war. pretty interesting take. do you have any recs for soldier/fightingcompetent!charles
codenamecesare codenamecesare Said:

keire-ke:

That sounds cool, can you link me? If anon asks don’t allow links, directions would be appreciated! :D

All of these may be part of the reason, yes, but let’s also remember that however stupid the line was, in that context it was also 100% valid. As in, situations like that are the reason the line was ever attempted as a defence. It is also a good portion of my Charles-the-Tin-Man reasoning, because it has literally all the markers of underestimating (hail to the understatement!) an emotional response to a situation.

There is one fic that comes to mind, but I don’t think I have a link saved anywhere - it was on the kink meme and Erik was questioning Charles’ touchy-feely approach to training and challenged him to a fight. There was also one with a parade? Also kink meme. Sorry. :(

I’ve seen a headcanon that Charles said “They were just following orders” because Erik thought about that justification a lot, and Charles picked up that it had a powerful emotional impact on him, but not that it was associated with NEGATIVE emotions. An interesting take.

Me, I think Charles was sacrificed to the needs of the narrative there: it’s bizarre for anyone to make that argument post-Nuremberg Trials, when it was famously refuted.

AND YET, actually, twist! Charles was right. Not about “just following orders,” that’s just stupidity forced by the plot, but about the fact that most of the men on those ships were innocent.

The Nuremberg Defense applies to soldiers who commit war crimes. A soldier who followed an order to attack a civilian non-combatant would not be able to escape repercussions by claiming he was just following orders: it’s his duty to defy any order to commit a war crime.

But there were hundreds of soldiers on those ships, and only a few of them participated in the attack on the beach.

We saw who was actually responsible for bombing the beach: half a dozen dudes in Washington, another half-dozen dudes on the bridge of each boat passing along the orders and pressing the buttons. Period. If those few guys went up in front of a Nuremberg-style tribunal, their “I was just following orders” defense wouldn’t save them. They were war criminals and morally culpable.

But the hundreds of other soldiers on the ships had zero involvement in bombing the beach. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never served, but as I understand it, the Navy does not have every soldier on an aircraft carrier line up to help press the BOMB CIVILIANS button, nor do they take a vote before they fire missiles.

Most of those soldiers had no idea what was going on. They didn’t know what mutants even were: if they saw the mutant battle at all, they probably assumed the mutants were soldiers using experimental Philadelphia Experiment technology to fly and heave submarines around and so on. Those soldiers wouldn’t use the Nuremberg Defense because they didn’t follow any orders to commit crimes: they didn’t do anything at all. They just had the bad luck to be serving their country aboard a ship that fired on civilians.

Sometimes I can’t believe the fandom ever bothers to analyze or argue over this transparently ridiculous action movie scene. Even if the US truly believed that mutants were a clear and present danger, NO ONE would’ve ordered a missile strike during the Cuban Missile Crisis for fear of triggering World War 3. In any sane scenario, Stryker’s ‘We have the mutants all in one place, we could take care of this whole problem right now’ would have been answered by the world’s hardest slap across the face and a disdainful, ‘That ONE PLACE is the flashpoint that could easily trigger our mutually assured destruction, shitbrain, now sit your ass down and shut up while the sentient beings talk.’

But… comic book movie. Whattayagonnado.

mrkinch:

horusporus:

(warning for some hyperbolic quibbling ahead; pls move on, ignore as necessary)
THIS SCENE LITERALLY PAINS MY EYEBALLS EVER SINCE I CAUGHT THE TRAILER (AND THAT IS WHY I’M NOT SEEKING OUT ANY MORE FOOTAGE). OUT OF THE MANY THINGS IN THIS MOVIE THAT ARE ACTIVELY HURTING ME, THE SLOPPY DIRECTORIAL CUES ARE KILLING ME.
WTF. LOOK AT THAT. THE PHYSICS AND TRAJECTORY ARE NOT MATCHING UP WITH THE STATED ACTION. THE STUNTWORK LOOKS BOSS BUT THIS KIND OF SLOPPINESS BARELY HIDES THE WIREWORK.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID THE PRODUCTION EVEN GET? TEN DOLLARS?

#getting me rant on#but of course i will still watch this stupid movie#the very depths of my movie-watching soul is in pain#look at that gif#just look at that gif#hell is me strapped to a chair watching this stupid gif forever
Oh, god, I share you pain SO MUCH. I cannot even look at this gif. I know from experience (office mates loading the dishwasher, jesus) that many people of absolutely no concept of physics and trajectory but omg some people do and this is appalling.*cringes even though i’m NOT LOOKING*

1. Huh? The trajectory of what? What stated action? His hand? That gesture isn’t what’s moving them. Erik is moving those guys with his mind. He can move them however he wants. They can go in a loop-de-loop if he uses his power to flip them around. We are so far from Newtonian physics you can’t even see it from here.
2. I am old and I remember when the trailers for the first X-Men came out. In the trailers, Wolverine landing on the Statue of Liberty’s torch looked hilariously bad. It was wobbly and ridiculous and you could practically see the wires. Now go look at X-Men and watch Wolverine land on the torch. In the final film, it’s nice and smooth. Trailers use rough shots sometimes. This might look better later.

mrkinch:

horusporus:

(warning for some hyperbolic quibbling ahead; pls move on, ignore as necessary)

THIS SCENE LITERALLY PAINS MY EYEBALLS EVER SINCE I CAUGHT THE TRAILER (AND THAT IS WHY I’M NOT SEEKING OUT ANY MORE FOOTAGE). OUT OF THE MANY THINGS IN THIS MOVIE THAT ARE ACTIVELY HURTING ME, THE SLOPPY DIRECTORIAL CUES ARE KILLING ME.

WTF. LOOK AT THAT. THE PHYSICS AND TRAJECTORY ARE NOT MATCHING UP WITH THE STATED ACTION. THE STUNTWORK LOOKS BOSS BUT THIS KIND OF SLOPPINESS BARELY HIDES THE WIREWORK.

HOW MUCH MONEY DID THE PRODUCTION EVEN GET? TEN DOLLARS?

Oh, god, I share you pain SO MUCH. I cannot even look at this gif. I know from experience (office mates loading the dishwasher, jesus) that many people of absolutely no concept of physics and trajectory but omg some people do and this is appalling.*cringes even though i’m NOT LOOKING*

1. Huh? The trajectory of what? What stated action? His hand? That gesture isn’t what’s moving them. Erik is moving those guys with his mind. He can move them however he wants. They can go in a loop-de-loop if he uses his power to flip them around. We are so far from Newtonian physics you can’t even see it from here.

2. I am old and I remember when the trailers for the first X-Men came out. In the trailers, Wolverine landing on the Statue of Liberty’s torch looked hilariously bad. It was wobbly and ridiculous and you could practically see the wires. Now go look at X-Men and watch Wolverine land on the torch. In the final film, it’s nice and smooth. Trailers use rough shots sometimes. This might look better later.

keire-ke:

meghantheinvincible:

thetendershark:

gokuma:

I agree. I think that that’s a reason why Charles - who seems to be a sweet, kind guy - doesn’t have any friends apart from Raven. He knows he can’t tell other people about his secret - and because of that he can never be really truthful with them. And since his mutation is so important in his life, being unable to tell about it must be a real burden. And knowing other people thoughts - it only sounds cool when you don’t think about all the consequences of this “gift”. And - by the way - that’s the reason why Charles seems so happy when he meets Erik, when he finds all the other mutants. Because with them he doesn’t need to hide, he can tell them what he can do; probably for the first time in his life his mutation doesn’t isolate him from others but lets him find more and more people like himself.

THIS is why I almost wanted to bawl at Raven for her line in the ‘Mutant and proud’-discussion ~ “Or is that only the pretty mutations or invisible ones, like yours? But if you’re a freak, better hide!” Can’t you hear his voice breaking at “Small slip up is one thing, a big one does not bear thinking about.” ?!?
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I never understood why Raven would say that to Charles of all people, unless she’s truly stupid enough not to realize how badly she would likely get hurt—or even killed—by exposing her mutation to the wrong (or even right, if word got out) people. Did she never learn about the Salem witch hysteria or the European witch hunts of the middle ages? People fear what they don’t understand, and Charles knows that better than anyone thanks to his gift (though telepathy is more of a curse, especially being that powerful), so of course he would be concerned for Raven and worried about what might happen if she lets her mutation slip in a big way.

I wouldn’t call it stupid, but it does have the hallmarks of teenagehood. Raven is written as teenaged (which pisses me off for many reasons, there is not liking calculus and there is failing to add), and it shows. For all the privilege she (rightly) accuses Charles of, she seems blind to the fact how much she relies on it, too, and not just the money, the WASPiness, but also the telepathy. 

There are powers that are strange and even inconvenient, but then there are powers that completely negate your ability to comprehend other people, much like hearing negates the ability to comprehend deafness (not a perfect metaphor, but serviceable).

Gotta reply to the “is Raven stupid, doesn’t she know what people would do to her” point. Of course Raven knows. Raven knew that when she was a tiny mutant masquerading as Charles’s mother— that wasn’t just about pretending to be someone who would belong in that house. Even though Charles was just a child, she knew better than to let him see her real form until he spoke to her mentally and she knew he was different too.

Raven’s complaint isn’t that she has to hide. She knows she has to hide. Her complaint is that her brother is telling other people that their mutations are special and exciting and beautiful, right in front of her, even though she has to hide hers. Even though he himself is hiding his. Even though it has to take a huge psychological toll on both of them to hide like that. They can’t ever be close to anyone but each other, because they’ll always be keeping this secret from everyone else. They have to be constantly vigilant that they’re not letting anyone see their differences.

It’s a hard way to live. So it has to be galling to Raven to hear Charles going around saying ‘Mutations are great! Yay differences!’ when their own mutant differences cause them so much pain and isolation. And it’s extra galling that he’s saying it to get laid by other girls who aren’t as different as Raven. If differences are so great, why isn’t he hitting on her? (Charles thinks of Raven as family, but for Raven, there’s really no one else she could have a romantic relationship with. If Charles slips and shows his powers, he can wipe memories. Raven doesn’t have that safety net.)

Of course, what we don’t learn til nearly the end of the movie is that Charles and Raven both let each other down this way. He made her feel that her real appearance was unlovable, and she made him promise not to read her mind, making it hard for him to understand her. I’ve already meta’ed plenty about how a telepath would probably have a hard time with nonverbal communication like body language because they’d never develop the skills to interpret it, since they can directly sense emotions and thoughts. Charles believed he understood Raven even without his telepathy, because he’s arrogant. But from the way he treats her, it seems like he still thinks of her and treats her like a child; possibly he assumes she still thinks and feels basically the same as she did when he last sensed her mind, years ago.

Even though it probably damaged their relationship a lot, I think Charles would’ve agreed readily to not read Raven’s mind, because, going back to the original confession: telepathy seems like a tough ability on its own, but mind control would be supremely lonely and terrifying. Once you knew for certain you could control other people, you’d have to wonder if you’d been doing it subconsciously all along. What if everyone around you could be your puppet? What if every interaction you ever had was potentially just a little play that you put on for your own benefit?

It was probably a relief to Charles to have one person in his life he could be at least somewhat sure he wasn’t influencing. He might’ve found their disagreements reassuring: it was more evidence that Raven wasn’t affected by his mind control. Maybe that’s why he’s drawn to Erik and their eternal disagreement, too.

third-round-charm:

distraction:

Not many people know the stereotypical heart shape was meant to be two hearts fused together


Hey there. History nerd here… not many people know this “fact” because it’s not true. The universal heart shape we recognize today has nothing to do with the heart, actually. It has to do with early Roman birth control.

The Romans used a plant called silphium to prevent pregnancy. It was so effective that it became a critical part of Rome’s economy and daily life. It was literally so important to their culture that the image of it’s seed were even imprinted on currency.

It’s the exact shape of the heart we know today, and this is the first time it’s visage was ever recorded in history. It was so important to them, and so highly prized that they actually drove the plant into extinction by over harvesting it for use.

This shape was so ingrained in their society’s conscious as a symbol of sexual liberation that it became associated with all aspects of intimacy, eg. sex, unity, and love.

TL;DR:
It’s not two hearts sewn together. It’s an ancient plant that Romans used to have gratuitous amounts of sex before condoms were around.

This is an aspect of the Bound & Determined AU that Helens78 and I have had from the start and yet, it’s never really surfaced in any of the stories. I’ve probably posted about it before but this reminded me of it so…

Bound & Determined is a BDSM-everywhere universe, with ‘dominant’ and ‘submissive’ being as important to people’s identities as gender (which means that for some people it’s not actually important at all. But in general, for many people it’s significant.)

In a lot of BDSM-everywhere verses, there’s gender equality but the discrimination that women face in our own world is instead taken on by submissives. We considered submission to be an added dimension in terms of intersectionality, not a replacement for any other, but we did want to account for Dommes having greater freedom and social standing in BD verse. So our answer there was that the ancient world discovered and/or bred a variant of silphium that grew like a weed, almost anywhere under practically any conditions, so the plant was widely available, allowing (many, though not all) dominant women some control over family planning, and diminishing the cultural association between sex and procreation for centuries before hormonal birth control was invented. (Meanwhile, submissive women’s access to birth control has always varied widely in different times, cultures and individual families.)

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Asker rustycol Asks:
Gotta say, both your and codenamecesare's breakdowns are splendid. Yes, poor writing and superb acting of Fassbender make a strange cocktail. It's a conflict between "aww tragic hero" and "why the heck is he a persuasive leader? He's a dreadful strategist/tactician". Granted, Charles' performance isn't that much better but he at least makes sure that his side don't get killed if avoidable.
codenamecesare codenamecesare Said:

keire-ke:

Thank you! :D

It also occurs to me that XMFC robs their conflict of power (in addition to the terrible mangling of Erik’s backstory, what is Shaw, even). I’m not super-familiar with comics, but as far as I know a huge thing on which they disagreed was that Charles advocated martyring themselves in the name of saving people while actively being persecuted by them. This is not what happens in XMFC, where they are out to save the world (by extension themselves) from a nuclear war, and the conflict seems to be… Well, hypothetical, really. The world doesn’t know mutants exists and Charles in no way advocates martyrdom, quite the opposite: the way he lays it out he seems to be aiming for “we saved your from radiation, you owe us, but in our benevolence we will consider us equals” (not a great plan, but has some merit).

Erik’s master plan, on the other hand, seems to be “right, we stopped the madman from detonating the bombs, so I will now detonate the bombs because it will be totally different and then we will fight against the people who outnumber us a million to one, and who don’t know we exist yet, WHO IS WITH ME?”

Charles never advocated martyrdom IMO. From the start, the X-Men were largely a publicity stunt, at heart: they were supposed to go out and visibly defend humanity from superpowered threats, including other “evil” mutants, so that humans would have a better opinion of mutants in general.

But the kids weren’t supposed to sacrifice themselves— Charles trained the hell out of them.

keire-ke:

Is this a rundown of Magneto & Mystique’s actions from the first X-Men trilogy?

Essentially. I just wanted to figure out if the secret-poster meant we are not allowed to mention it, or are we allowed to mention it but positively, like “wow, you know, I had this annoying kid in class the other day, but after I stabbed him with a needle full of experimental gene therapy serum he got totes better, i.e. quiet and sweaty and spouting weird tentacles, isn’t bio-terrorism just awesome? I’m thinking of expanding, maybe poison a water supply - so many problems solved, all at once!”

Yeah. I haven’t wanted to get into it because I’m slammed IRL and the last thing I need right now is a bunch of wank over fictional characters. And whoever genuinely thinks Erik and Raven are in the right, they are entitled to that opinion, obviously, and it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

Seriously, if this is something you get upset about, just scroll on by!

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keire-ke:

brothernathan:

thedameloves:

intowhiteness:


I can’t help but find it a shame when members of fandom publicly express their disapproval of Charles’s new “look”. Sure he’s more gorgeously put together in XMFC, but do people really expect him to stay that way - wake up and shave, trim his hair, put on a tux - with all the misery that he’s been through? After losing his legs, sister, and best friend, why is it more important for him to look good?

Exactly, plus Charles is gorgeous no matter what.

Well you know, he’s lost loved ones and the use of his legs, so he’s not feeling too groovy. I guess we’ll see how he gets to groomed-older-Charles. But for now I find his 70’s scruffy look pretty damn sexy. Rrrowwrr.

Yes, actually, I 110% do expect him to stay put together. Because he’s Charles Xavier. Charles Xavier is a man who gave up everything for his dream, and a man who’s been through horrible amounts of suffering long before losing Erik, Raven and his legs. Charles Xavier lost his father at an early age (not that Brian Xavier was a peach) and his mother was extremely neglectful. He suffered abuse through his childhood and teenage years at the hands of Cain Marko and all through that. 
That isn’t to say Charles isn’t Hurt or Upset and that he likely doesn’t want to scream and freak the fuck out, but Charles Xavier is all about control. He has absolutely DISGUSTING amounts of self-control because he has to. Because he’s the strongest telepath on the planet and he needs to keep himself in check. 
Charles Xavier, furthermore, is the Man with the Plan. He has a dream and he won’t be stopped because he’s ~so sad~, and to think that of him is extremely unfortunate and makes me assume you think very little of him, because the man is made of tougher stuff than that. Would Charles, knowing Hank and Sean and Alex are depending on him, just fall into despair? Hell to fuck no. Charles would pull up his damn bootstraps and keep training those boys. One of the greatest things about Charles is that he’s so incredibly driven that he gave up the chance to have a normal life to fight for his cause. So do I think he’d lose himself because Mystique and Magneto left him? No, I absolutely do not. Would he be devastated inside? Of course. And of course one can’t forget how he looked at the end of First Class. That was a man with hope. That was a man who was about to turn that shit out and make the goddamn Xavier Institute a reality.
It would take a metric fuckton more to destroy Charles Xavier and make him suddenly stop taking care of his appearance, thank you and goodnight. 

Preach it, brothernathan. I have some hope yet, in that DOFP takes place in 1973, so there’s been a decade in which things could have gone pear-shaped (Magneto’s trial, maybe? Raven going off the deep end?), but right past XMFC he was holding it together. Morosely, but he was.

This. SPOILERS…
 I hope the statements from the crew that Charles was devastated by the events at the end of First Class to the point of drug addiction and dereliction are just because they don’t want to give spoilers for DOFP. I can’t believe Charles would lose his way so completely after that, with Sean and Alex and Hank still with him.
However, per the Bent Bullet backstory website, I can believe that if Erik were arrested— in fact clearly allowed himself to be arrested for some reason— for the assassination of President Kennedy, with all the political implications that would have for attitudes toward mutants… and Erik hinted that it was actually Charles’s own sister who murdered the American president… I can believe that would shake him to the point of devastation. Particularly if that led him to believe that the students were no longer safe with him, and he felt he had to disband the school. I can see Charles losing himself without the school to focus on.
BIGGER SPOILERS… There’s also a hint in the Empire article that in DOFP Mystique tampers with Cerebro at some point, like she did in the first X-Men film. If she did something that disrupted Charles’s control of his telepathy or diminished his ability, I can definitely see that driving Charles to ruin. I could be overestimating that possibility because I’m so fascinated by the idea of how it would feel for a telepath to lose his powers— to go from a sense of total safety and control over the people around him, to suddenly not being able to affect them, not knowing their motives, maybe not even knowing where they are, when he’s accustomed to always perceiving where everyone is around him and their emotional state and threat level to himself? Can you imagine how terrifying that would be? Now that is a disability that I can imagine turning anyone into a Howard Hughes style recluse.

keire-ke:

brothernathan:

thedameloves:

intowhiteness:

I can’t help but find it a shame when members of fandom publicly express their disapproval of Charles’s new “look”. Sure he’s more gorgeously put together in XMFC, but do people really expect him to stay that way - wake up and shave, trim his hair, put on a tux - with all the misery that he’s been through? After losing his legs, sister, and best friend, why is it more important for him to look good?

Exactly, plus Charles is gorgeous no matter what.

Well you know, he’s lost loved ones and the use of his legs, so he’s not feeling too groovy. I guess we’ll see how he gets to groomed-older-Charles. But for now I find his 70’s scruffy look pretty damn sexy. Rrrowwrr.

Yes, actually, I 110% do expect him to stay put together. Because he’s Charles Xavier. Charles Xavier is a man who gave up everything for his dream, and a man who’s been through horrible amounts of suffering long before losing Erik, Raven and his legs. Charles Xavier lost his father at an early age (not that Brian Xavier was a peach) and his mother was extremely neglectful. He suffered abuse through his childhood and teenage years at the hands of Cain Marko and all through that. 

That isn’t to say Charles isn’t Hurt or Upset and that he likely doesn’t want to scream and freak the fuck out, but Charles Xavier is all about control. He has absolutely DISGUSTING amounts of self-control because he has to. Because he’s the strongest telepath on the planet and he needs to keep himself in check. 

Charles Xavier, furthermore, is the Man with the Plan. He has a dream and he won’t be stopped because he’s ~so sad~, and to think that of him is extremely unfortunate and makes me assume you think very little of him, because the man is made of tougher stuff than that. Would Charles, knowing Hank and Sean and Alex are depending on him, just fall into despair? Hell to fuck no. Charles would pull up his damn bootstraps and keep training those boys. One of the greatest things about Charles is that he’s so incredibly driven that he gave up the chance to have a normal life to fight for his cause. So do I think he’d lose himself because Mystique and Magneto left him? No, I absolutely do not. Would he be devastated inside? Of course. And of course one can’t forget how he looked at the end of First Class. That was a man with hope. That was a man who was about to turn that shit out and make the goddamn Xavier Institute a reality.

It would take a metric fuckton more to destroy Charles Xavier and make him suddenly stop taking care of his appearance, thank you and goodnight. 

Preach it, brothernathan. I have some hope yet, in that DOFP takes place in 1973, so there’s been a decade in which things could have gone pear-shaped (Magneto’s trial, maybe? Raven going off the deep end?), but right past XMFC he was holding it together. Morosely, but he was.

This. SPOILERS…

I hope the statements from the crew that Charles was devastated by the events at the end of First Class to the point of drug addiction and dereliction are just because they don’t want to give spoilers for DOFP. I can’t believe Charles would lose his way so completely after that, with Sean and Alex and Hank still with him.

However, per the Bent Bullet backstory website, I can believe that if Erik were arrested— in fact clearly allowed himself to be arrested for some reason— for the assassination of President Kennedy, with all the political implications that would have for attitudes toward mutants… and Erik hinted that it was actually Charles’s own sister who murdered the American president… I can believe that would shake him to the point of devastation. Particularly if that led him to believe that the students were no longer safe with him, and he felt he had to disband the school. I can see Charles losing himself without the school to focus on.

BIGGER SPOILERS… There’s also a hint in the Empire article that in DOFP Mystique tampers with Cerebro at some point, like she did in the first X-Men film. If she did something that disrupted Charles’s control of his telepathy or diminished his ability, I can definitely see that driving Charles to ruin. I could be overestimating that possibility because I’m so fascinated by the idea of how it would feel for a telepath to lose his powers— to go from a sense of total safety and control over the people around him, to suddenly not being able to affect them, not knowing their motives, maybe not even knowing where they are, when he’s accustomed to always perceiving where everyone is around him and their emotional state and threat level to himself? Can you imagine how terrifying that would be? Now that is a disability that I can imagine turning anyone into a Howard Hughes style recluse.

chadekelevra:

codenamecesare:

sakuralori:

Happy New Year! :) ♥

Size difference notes:

McAvoy has broad shoulders for his frame, but Fassbender’s build is bigger and his shoulders are wider. (The Sharx pic especially makes that clear.)

Likewise, Fassbender has that unreal waist, tiny for his size, but since McAvoy is smaller overall, it looks like his waistband size would probably be nearly the same. (Side note: McAvoy’s natural waist is quite high, most obvious in the infamous shirtless Wanted image— notably higher than the waistband of his trousers.)

It’s not obvious in these images, but when they’re back to back, it’s clear that even though Fassbender has a larger, wider frame from the front, he’s a bit skinnier from the side than McAvoy. Though McAvoy’s arm is in the way and the belt on the uniform is thick, so it’s hard to judge the difference; it’s probably not much.

Fassbender’s legs aren’t much longer than McAvoy’s, the height difference is almost entirely due to Fassbender’s long, long torso.

McAvoy’s neck is considerably smaller than Fassbender’s, and Fassbender has long hands. Erik could probably get one hand more than halfway around Charles’s neck. Ahem.

Depending on McAvoy’s shoes, he’s about eye-level with Fassbender’s mouth. Fassbender’s eye-level with the top of McAvoy’s head. Erik couldn’t easily tuck Charles under his chin and look over his head; he’d have to stretch and/or Charles would have to duck his head or bend a bit.

So basically, what you’re trying to say is, they should make out. Right?

That is always what I’m trying to say. Always.